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nyteowl

Voodoolab. wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:50 pm Can I have my tc delay and tc reverb rackunit, already connected in loops of the GXC, used as IA on the GCP? I.e. I wanna have the guitars dry signal (fx off) on number 1 and then be able to add-in delays of reverbs by selecting them as IA’s. I would suggest to configure AI buttons to ask for the specific cc..?

Is this correct or how should I do it?

Many thanks in advance

Welcome to the board.

You're definitely on the right track, but the IA Buttons on a GCPro cannot send MIDI Program changes, so unless you can change presets on your TC devices via CC Messages, you'll need to use an alternate approach.

Since you've already connected your TC units to your GCX, I'm guessing you've properly configured these devices as described on Pages 6 and 7 in the GCPro Manual, but if you've not yet done so that would be your first step. Again, if you haven't already done so, you should also program the desired TC Delay and TC Reverb presets into the respective units.

Last but not least, you just need to configure your GCPro to send the desired program changes. Again, I'm guessing, but since you want to control your effects with IA buttons, it sounds like you're running your GCPro in 4-Presets/Bank mode, so you can program the lower row of buttons (1 thru 4) to call up your initial desired effect states (dry or wet) and use IA buttons to send individual CC messages to your Delay and Reverb units.

If you can't change presets on your TC devices using CC Messages, you could try running your GCPro in 10-Presets/Bank mode to send different program changes to each unit when you change Presets, but in that mode you would lose all your IA Buttons. If that doesn't work for you, there's always the option of changing to a more versatile MIDI Controller, something I did a long time ago because - at least to me anyway - the additional expense was well worth the added flexibility.

Hope this helps.

nyteowl

waynereed wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:29 pm I'm having trouble getting #3 & #4 to work. I reset it so you have to turn on/off each pedal because I use different combos
of amps. #1 and #2 work fine. But 3 &4 have almost no volume. If I switch cables around, then AMPs 3 and 4 work fine plugged into 1 & 2, but then AMPs 1 and 2 (now plugged into 3 & 4) have almost no volume. Volume is so low, I have to crank the amp way up to get playable, but not gig-able volume. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? I read the manual a couple times. No idea. Thanks!

Welcome to the board.

Have you verified it's not a cable issue?

If I understand what you wrote correctly, you first had Amps 1 & 2 working fine but Amps 3 & 4 had little to no volume, but when you swap out your cables Amps 3 & 4 work fine while 1 & 2 have little or no volume. You might try using different cables, but I would also look into how you've got the unit configured, as you may have inadvertently configured Amps 1 & 2 - or Amps 3 & 4 - as an Exclusive Group.

Hope this helps.

nyteowl

Welcome to the board...

You can use the GCPro to control multiple amps and I suspect the best starting point for you would be to take a look at the 13 sample worksheets on the GXC product page to see which one most closely resembles what you want to do and go from there. Once you determine that, come back here and provide a complete list of amps and effects you want to control with your GCPro/GCX so we can get you up and running.

nyteowl

Welcome to the board, Steve!

As per the Pin Out diagram for the MS100's 8-Pin DIN foot switch connector, Pin 8 controls the Channel Switching so I suspect you are correct about using Momentary (pulse) mode to effect a channel change.

Besides the obvious audible tonal differences between the two channels, your MIDI Foot Controller should have an LED for each button on it to indicate that button's status. Just a matter of determining what channel you're on when the LED is lit.

However, you will definitely need to build or buy a custom 5-Pin to 8-Pin cable to connect a Control Switcher to your amp, where Pin 1, 2, 3, or 4 on the Control Switcher end is connected to Pin 8 on the Rivera end.

You didn't mention whether or not you already have a MIDI Foot Controller, but you're gonna need one if you plan to use a Control Switcher. Factor in the cost of the Control Switcher ($150 +/-) plus the cost of that custom cable ($50-$100) and it might be more cost effective for you to just buy an FS-7 ($85 on eBay) or even better under $70 from KoolKat; I've bought a few foot switches from them and highly recommend them.

Hope this helps.

nyteowl

A guitar signal and a MIDI signal are two totally different things; it doesn't matter where you plug in your guitar, MIDI will always work.

What you've written doesn't describe how you're currently using your GCX or how you've connected your G-Major2, so more info on that would be good. In the meantime, you could try one of these two options, where Loop X is whatever Loop you choose:

Leaving your rig as is:
1. Connect the JMP-1 Effects Send to the GCX Front Panel Guitar In.
2. Connect the GCX Rear Panel Guitar Out to the Loop X In jack.
3. Connect the Loop X Send/Return jacks to the K.O.T. Input/Output jacks respectively.
4. Connect the Loop X Out jack to the JMP-1 Left Effects Return jack.

That puts your K.O.T. in the Effects Loop, which many will agree is not the optimal place for an OD Pedal, so you might want to try this instead:

1. Plug your guitar into the GCX Front Panel Guitar In.
2. Connect the GCX Rear Panel Guitar Out to the Loop X In jack.
3. Connect the Loop X Send/Return jacks to the K.O.T. Input/Output jacks respectively.
4. Connect the Loop X Out jack to the JMP-1 Input jack.

This will put your K.O.T. in front of your amp at the head of your signal chain, and your GCX is now out of the JMP-1's FX Loop which is where I suspect you may be running your GM-2.

In the future, if you want to put more pedals in GCX loops, connect short Jumper cables between the Out and In jacks of GCX loops, connect GCX Loop Send/Return jacks to Input/Output jacks respectively of the additional pedals, and complete the signal chain by connecting the Out jack of the last Loop used to the JMP-1 Input jack.

nyteowl

Have you configured each of your MIDI devices in your GCPro as outlined on Pages 6 and 7 of your GCPro Owner's Manual?

nyteowl

Geoff101 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:53 pm Could I still use a second Boss CE-2?

Also what patch cables need to be stereo? Does the Y cable need to be?

Instead of adding a second CE-2, you might want to consider replacing your existing CE-2 with a stereo unit such as the CE-5 or the CE-2W, etc. That way you're only swapping out the pedal and the wiring won't change.

As it stands, it looks like none of your patch cables need to be stereo. Just make sure the Y-cable you use is, as John wrote, a true Y-cable (3 TS Mono plugs) and not an Insert Cable (1 TRS Stereo plug that breaks out to a pair of TS Mono plugs).

nyteowl

Cmichaelis81 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:43 pm The other I went to play with my rig and got this ## on gcp and now it won't work with midi I can power it up with power supply but get nothing with midi

When it's powered up with a power supply, does it still control your GCX and/or other MIDI devices?

First trouble-shooting step would be to swap out the MIDI cable between your GCPro and GCX, making sure you're using a cable where all 5-pins are wired.

nyteowl

Based on what you wrote, your noise isn't coming from your GCX or GCPro, but is obviously being generated by whatever Overdrive pedal you're using, as you've already proved taking it out of your signal chain eliminates the noise.

Given that, you could try substituting a different OD pedal to see if that makes any difference or running your existing OD pedal either thru the loop of a Noise Reducing pedal or placing a non-loop NR pedal immediately after the OD in your signal chain.

nyteowl

My apologies. I completely overlooked the issue of converting your signal from Mono to Stereo after the TS-9, and as already mentioned, the Palmer Y-Box is not the right tool for that job. Instead, you'll need to run the last device of your Mono signal chain into a Stereo device of some sort to convert your signal from Mono to Stereo. Easiest way to do this with your existing gear is to let your G-Major do the converting:

Place any Mono Effects you want in your signal chain ahead of your amps in Loops 1 thru 4.
Connect the Loop 4 Out to the Palmer Y-Box, and the Palmer Outs to the Input jacks of Loops 6 and 7.
Connect the Loops 6 and 7 Send Jacks to your two amps Input jacks, as per the diagram on Page 9 of your GCX User Manual.

Connect the FX Send from Amp1 and Amp2 respectively to the In jacks of Loops 7 and 8 respectfully.
Connect the Out Jacks to their respective FX Returns. Do take care NOT to cross these signals.

Connect the Send/Return jacks of Loops 7 and 8 to the Left and Right Inputs/Outputs of the G-Major, and again, take care to NOT cross these signals.

Program your presets accordingly so Loop 5 is active and 6 inactive when you want to use Amp 1 alone, Loop 6 is active and 5 inactive when you want to use Amp 2 alone, or both Loops active when you want to run the amps simultaneously. Further program your presets so Loops 7 and 8 are active when you wish to add G-Major Stereo processing to your signal chain.

A more elegant solution would be to simply connect the G-Major's In and Out jacks directly to the FX Loops in your amplifiers and program an "empty" preset into your G-Major so you could leave it active in your signal chain at all times, calling up that "zero effect" preset whenever you want just the unaltered Mono signal. If you were to do this, you wouldn't need the GCX as you'd be controlling the G-Major via MIDI from your GCPro. This would free up Loops 7 and 8, so you could shift Loops 5 and 6 over, and free them up for additional Mono Effects.

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