Ok I can't seem too find the correct thread here;

I have an "eventide timefactor", the answer i'm seeking;

Is there away to hear the delay trails via midi (is there a way midi can help) or something? the delay is in a gcx loop and however i do not use effects loops on my amps as they do not have loops.


thanks

rex

Hey T-rex

I'd like to address some other things that may become an issue with your rig...

Since you do not have an FX loop, I'm assuming that you are putting your timefactor before your amp and using the amp for your overdrive sounds.

Placing the delay before the overdrive will compress the delays in an unpleasant way. If you do not have an FX loop and need to put your delay before an overdriven amp, I would suggest setting the amp clean and using an external preamp or overdrive pedals (Marshall, line6, radial, etc) for your overdrive sounds and place your timefactor, and other time-based FX like chorus, flange and reverb, between the overdrive pedals/ preamps and amplifier input.

Now that being said, you might like your timefactor before your amp, so don't let me judge you!

Now, back to your Timefactor and allowing trails when you bypass it...(info in the manual)

There are two ways to do this...

OPTION 1

you need to set the timefactor for DSP+DLY Bypass mode....(info in the manual)
Since in this mode, your guitar is going through a digital converter in the timefactor, your guitar tone might be affected... So, I would recommend placing the timefactor into a gcx loop when you are not using the delay. To get trails, the gcx loop must be active before and after your preset switch.

You must also send a midi cc from your midi foot controller to bypass the timefactor with the GCX loop active all of the time .... unless you are not using the delay and then you can bypass it using one of the gcx FX loops.

OPTION 2

another way to connect the timefactor to provide trails without affecting your guitar tone is to do the following...this will be a parallel FX setup and will require a mixer as additional equipment.

Assuming that you have 4 other pedals that will go in front of the amp (this will include any overdrive pedals connected before the timefactor as I mentioned before)

1. connect your guitar to the gcx loop 1 IN and loop gcx loop 2, 3, and 4. Insert your distortion, fuzz, overdrive and compressor pedals in the GCX loops 1 to 4.

2. Then connect the output of gcx loop 4 to the GCX Front panel GUITAR IN. This will allow you to split you overdriven guitar signal using the gcx buffer and the guitar out and feedthrough jacks on the gcx rear panel. Then we will send 1/2 of this split signal to an external mixer and the other 1/2 to the timefactor input, (through another GCX loop), to set-up the parallel FX configuration as follows...

3. Connect the GCX Rear Panel GUITAR OUT out to channel 1 of an external line mixer. (you can use a rack-mounted one) this will be your dry guitar sound that will never go through the digital converter of the timefactor, therefore your 'tone' will never get messed up.

4. connect the GCX rear panel feedthrough jack to the INPUT of gcx loop 5

5. connect the SEND of gcx loop 5 to the input of your timefactor. (since you already have a dry guitar signal going to the mixer, make sure that your timefactor patches are set with the MIX at 100% FX and no dry signal) The timefactor will be active when gcx loop is active.

6. connect the output of the timefactor to channel 2 of the external line mixer

7. when you de-activate loop 5, the input to the timefactor will be cut allowing your delay trails to be mixed with your dry guitar sound in the mixer. With this set-up, It doesn't matter which bypass-mode the timefactor is set to.

8. the output of the mixer can feed other gcx loops with other time-based FX connected, (flange, chorus, reverb, etc), or you can connect the output of the mixer directly to your amplifier input.

As stated before, the amp should be set clean. (your overdrive sounds will be produced by preamps or pedals before the amp.)

You can set the relative dry and FX levels at the mixer.

you'll have get a line mixer and experiment with all of these connections so that you can hear the benefits.


have fun...seeya

Joe

wow thanks for the info. I read the ol' eventide manual either i'm way tired or it ain't clicking wth me today. option one is the way i should go. i have old jcm 800's so no fx loops on the amps themselves all effects go straight into the head.

Loops;
1.) phaser
2.) flange
3.) gate
4.) od > goes to a splitter box
one feeds to loop 8 (send) which hits jcm 800 (1)
the other line goes to loop 5
5.) chorus
6.) delay
7.) send to jcm 800 (2) out to Roland JC-120

so the delay essentially hits one head, i just like the clarity of this but i miss the trails of the delay no that it's part of a switch system. I'm trying to stay away from the line mixers for now (no knock against them).

Hey a2dconvert;

you posted this;
OPTION 1

you need to set the timefactor for DSP+DLY Bypass mode....(info in the manual)
Since in this mode, your guitar is going through a digital converter in the timefactor, your guitar tone might be affected... So, I would recommend placing the timefactor into a gcx loop when you are not using the delay. To get trails, the gcx loop must be active before and after your preset switch.

You must also send a midi cc from your midi foot controller to bypass the timefactor with the GCX loop active all of the time .... unless you are not using the delay and then you can bypass it using one of the gcx FX loops.

is there a way to do both? if not could you please help. I have the DSP+DLY enabled. How do you get the TF to turn on and off for the trails exactly? last i did figure out how to change the delays for different banks which is nice but can some banks have the loop on/off while other presets utilize the delay trails (midi bypassing the TF).

Hey T-rex...

In the following examples, you do not have to put the Timefactor in a GCX loop....

There are two ways to bypass the Timefactor

1. Using the AUX jack on the rear panel of the Timefactor

To use the AUX jack on the Timefactor for Bypass, connect the OUT jack of any GCX loop to the AUX jack of the Timefactor using a STEREO 1/4" cable. (it won't work of you use a regular guitar cable)

Set the Ground Control to Momentarily activate that GCX loop on a patch-by-patch basis. As you activate and de-activate that GCX loop the Timefactor will toggle between Active and not-active. If you have set the Bypass mode to DSP+DLY mode, the delays will trail at the output.

You may find, with this option, that when you power up your rig the Timefactor will be in the wrong position so you will have to 'bump' the Timefactor's ACTIVE Switch to get it properly sync'd with the GCX.

2. Assigning a CC to trigger BYPASS

On Page 35-36, of the Timefactor Manual, they outline how to assign CC #'s to Bypass the Timefactor.

First, connect the MIDI OUT of your GCX to the MIDI IN of your Timefactor.

Then (from the manual,)
Press the Encoder (near the Tap Tempo LED) to select RCV CTL. You will see two fields (split display) of the Billboard display showing Parameter destination and Control source assignments. An arrow pointing to the left (Parameter) is flashing (if its not, press the Left Footswitch to select this field) showing this to be the selected field for editing.

To Setup Parameter Destination
Turn the Encoder knob to select an external control destination - the TimeFactor parameter or function which will be controlled from an external source. In your case Select BYP – Toggle Bypass/Active.

To Setup Control Source Assignment
Press the Encoder to select RCV CTL again and press the left/ right footswitches so that an arrow pointing to the right (Parameter) is flashing. The parameter on the Right is the CC #.

When a Parameter Control Knob designator is displayed (KB0… KB9), pressing the Left Footswitch will display [CC]. Turn the associated Parameter Control Knob to set the CC that, when received, will bypass the timefactor. For example, if KB0 was selected, turn the Mix Control Knob to set the CC #. The Billboard displays the knob value while you’re turning the selected parameter knob and times out to display the selected [CC] when the knob is idle.

Now, on a patch-by-patch basis, you can set any Ground control Patch (or reprogrammed Instant Access Switch) to bypass your Timefactor.

You will have to set-up the Timefactor as a new device in your Ground Control and associate a MIDI channel to it. (Make sure that your Timefactor is set to the same MIDI Channel as assigned in the Ground Control )

I hope this helps!

seeya Joe

thanks again, i am not so midi savvy however i do have the TF on midi channel 2 (for both gcx and tf) as far as getting the bypass to work, not so much. I think i'm following the dierctions but somehting is missing on my end or on the pedal.
I have the TF assigned to Instant access #8 for the bypass of tf. but as far as the tf pedal i have it displaying this
"BYP>---"

progress has been made using instant access button 8 (loop stays on but the Time Factor is activated).
problem is i'm using the instant access mode w/ 4 bank presets.
so whether it's 01-04 presets 21-24 etc the Time Factor never saves correctly.
For insance.
01- could be rhythm (no delay)
02- gated rhythm (no delay)
03- clean (no delay)
04- Lead with Time factor (nice)

now lets say i start with rhythm (1) then go to lead (4) with my delay
when i go back to any preset 01, 02, 03, 21 etc the delay stays on. whether its the same bank on the time factor or a different bank (i may have a slapback in 01 ready to go for fun).

hope this is clear what i am trying to say, any thoughts..............your help has been greatly appreciated

Is the LED for Instant Access button 8 showing the bypass status you would like the TimeFactor to be in upon recalling each preset?

Did you set Instant Access button 8 to Transmit with Preset?

well i do notice this the "light" for the 8 button is not lit when i activate the time factor in any preset
loop eight does feed to an amp so the loop itself stays on to the amp but i have tried saving the presets
with the delay off (light on) and it seems to save but after i run throught the preset it reverts to the delay being on.

i hope that made sense.

i enclosed a diagram of my rig. as of now the delay in not in a loop so that loop 6 is open. i am runnning the time factor between loop 6 and 7. i am not utilizing the pod. that is the difference in the diagram.

diagram