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 Post subject: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loops
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:37 am 
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I did a search for anything similar to this and didn't find it - so here't goes........

Wireless into Morley Bad Horsie Wah out of there to the 'in' on loop one on GCX
Loop 1 - MXR Custom Comp
Loop 2 - Digitech Hardwire TL-2
Loop 3 - MXR Micro Amp
Loop 4 - MXR EVH Phase 90
Loop 5 - Digitech Harwire CR-7 Chorus
Loop 6 - MXR Micro Flanger
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Loop 7 - I want to use the Digitech GSP1101 in the rack for a specific effect
Loop 8 - I want to use the Digitech GSP1101 in the rack for a specific effect

Question 1: How do I hook the GSP into the GCX to have loop 7 AND 8 be dedicated to the GSP1101? Is there a specific way to wire the in's and out's to get it assigned to both? I'm assuming also I will need the midi jump from midi out on the GCX to the midi in on the GSP1101
Question 2: Can I change the value with the ground control pro to switch through the midi presets (grab different effects) for these two channels?

John C - I gave you kudos on the Voodoo Lab Facebook page! Thanks for all your help.


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 Post subject: Re: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loop
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:38 am 
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Teating - should be "treating" - :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loop
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:57 pm 
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Once the GSP1101 is connected to GCX Loops 7 and 8, those loops will activate/bypass the GSP1101. Whenever you want the GSP1101 to affect your signal path, GCX Loops 7 and 8 will need to be Active.
The MIDI connections will be what allow the Ground Control Pro to control the patches and individual effects within the GSP1101 as well as control the volume if you have an expression pedal connected to the Ground Control Pro.

Good Luck!

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 Post subject: Re: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loop
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:09 pm 
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Thanks John for responding. I understand that part in theory. However, I guess to be more specific, how do I do that? In other words:

First:

How do I wire up the GSP into loops 7 AND 8? I get how to do it into just one loop. Do I need some sort of special cable?
** As a side note: I connected the GSP just to loop 7. When I activate loop 7, you'd think that whatever I had it set to on the GSP would come through the system. I don't get anything but a clear/clean signal. So that alone has be confused. Even if I just activate it from the front/face of the GSP, nothing. Just clean signal. So it's as if it bypasses it altogether **

Second:

Which part of the manual shows the specifics on how to setup say loop 7 where when activated, it not only engages the GSP, but change the midi channel to something specific. Same thing for Loop 8

I'm REALLY close, I have everything else talking and doing what it's supposed to do, I have presets 1, 3, and 4 working the way I want it. Just need to get this GSP onboard and assign it to preset 2.

Thanks TONS for your help. I'm almost there.


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 Post subject: Re: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loop
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:45 pm 
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Backing up for a moment, where in your signal path is the GSP1101 being routed? Are you running it in stereo?

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 Post subject: Re: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loop
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:36 pm 
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Not running it in stereo. I'm just trying to put it in loops 7 and 8 and treat it as though it is another pedal for both of those loops. When I step on loop 7 with the GCP for example, I want it to "turn on" the GSP1101 and and send it the midi signal to go to a specific effect I have in the unit. Then when I step on loop 8 with the GCP, I'd like it to go to the GSP, turn it on, and pull up another effect I have in the unit. If I want to change that setting at some point, i'd just configure the GCP to pull up a different midi channel/setting. Right now I want the GSP1101 to turn on two distinct configurations I have for specific songs. Both loops 7 and 8 will never be on at the same time. and obviously I don't believe the GSP would be able to do that anyway.

Hope that helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loop
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:09 am 
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You haven't mentioned how you run your GCP- is it 4 Presets/8 IA or 10 Presets per bank?

IMO it's a waste of a GCX loop using two of them for one unit in mono (unless you were also putting the GSP1101's preamp loop in one of the GCX's loops).

I use a GCP in 4 Preset/8 IA mode, and have a G-Major in my amp's FX Loop. I use the GCP Presets to select amp channel and G-Major presets (patches), and some of the IA buttons to turn on/off the effect blocks in the G-Major preset I called up with the GCP. This allows me to toggle on/off the G-Major effect blocks like they are stomp boxes.

For example, in GCP bank 1, when I press the preset 4 button my amp switches to my Lead channel, my G-Major brings up my Lead preset & turns on my amp's FX Loop, and the middle row of IA buttons are as follows:
IA5=Modulation (chorus etc) on/off, default OFF
IA6=Pitch (octaver etc) on/off, default OFF
IA7=Delay on/off default ON
IA8=Amp FX Loop in/out, default OFF (I would put the GSP1101 here in GCX loop 8 if I did not have an FX Loop)

Now when I press GCP preset button 3, My amp changes to my main rhythm channel, my G-Major brings up my main rhythm preset & turns off my amp's FX Loop. The IA buttons still control the same things, but the parameters for each effect are at different settings.

Here is a pic of my GCP, you can see how I have it labeled so I can treat the IA buttons like a bunch of stomps:
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Also, when chaining your MIDI cables, use the MIDI THRU. The MIDI OUT is designed to allow the GSP1101 to change the MIDI data, MIDI THRU is just that, it passes thru the exact same MIDI info it recieves.

Hope this helps,
Dom

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 Post subject: Re: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loop
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:10 am 
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Rockdog wrote:
Not running it in stereo. I'm just trying to put it in loops 7 and 8 and treat it as though it is another pedal for both of those loops. When I step on loop 7 with the GCP for example, I want it to "turn on" the GSP1101 and and send it the midi signal to go to a specific effect I have in the unit. Then when I step on loop 8 with the GCP, I'd like it to go to the GSP, turn it on, and pull up another effect I have in the unit. If I want to change that setting at some point, i'd just configure the GCP to pull up a different midi channel/setting. Right now I want the GSP1101 to turn on two distinct configurations I have for specific songs. Both loops 7 and 8 will never be on at the same time. and obviously I don't believe the GSP would be able to do that anyway.

Hope that helps.


In this case you will only need to use one GCX loop, if at all, for the GSP 1101. If the GSP 1101 is always in your signal path then you wont need to put it in any GCX Loops.

On the Ground Control Pro, you can simply re-program what buttons 7 and 8 do to hopefully control the parameters you wish. As domct203 pointed out, we would need to know what mode you intend to use on the Ground Control Pro... the choices are 10 Presets per Bank or 4 Presets per Bank.
We would also need to know exactly what you want to control on the GSP 1101... are you recalling two different numbered patches or are you wanting to have control of two unique effect types within a numbered patch?

10 Presets per Bank mode will give you 10 buttons that will recall entire setups that you have pre-programmed. This would include any combination of the GCX Loops as well as recalling any of the numbered patches on the GSP 1101, all with a single button push.

4 Presets per Bank mode will give you four buttons that will recall entire setups that you have pre-programmed as well as eight Instant Access buttons that will turn individual GCX Loops on and off or single effects within a numbered patch on the GCP 1101.

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 Post subject: Re: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loop
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:15 am 
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Hey guys, sorry have been slammed with work - but thanks for responding - let me see if I can answer these questions - I don't understand alot of what 'dom' was saying unfortunately, my apologies in advance.....

I am running with 4-presets and 8 IA's. Loops 1-6 are on/off and being used and work great with presets 1, 3, 4. I do not have anything set as a preset on #2 at the moment.

So, there are two specific presets/sounds I want to use directly out of the GSP1101. One is a specific distortion that I really like the way it is setup and sounds great with my amp. Another one is this very heavy delayed, octive bending, scary sound that is used in one part of a song.

So:

How do I hook up the GSP1101 in to either loop 7 or loop 8, or both? Or, do I just assign buttons 7 and 8 to do something specific "midi wise" on the GSP1101? If so I'm not sure how to hook that up in the signal chain. Do I use one of the free loops? Do I not put it in a loop and run it somewhere else and only use buttons 7 and 8 on the GCP to call up those presets and mute everything else I have going on at the time?

THanks for your patience!


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 Post subject: Re: Teating Digitech GSP1101 as a seperate pedal in the loop
PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:44 pm 
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Most likely you will need to recall these sounds using the Ground Control Pro preset buttons (1-4 on the bottom row, in your case) since I believe you are telling us that the two sounds you use in the GSP 1101 are two unique numbered patches on the unit itself.

Ground Control Pro presets will set the GSP 1101 to the desired numbered patch and at the same time set any combination of the GCX Loops.

I still cannot say for sure what your audio connections will be since I just keep coming up with more questions for you ;)
1. Is the GSP 1101 always "in line"... do you always use its effects or do you sometime turn it off completely?
2. Where in the signal path of this rig will the GSP 1101 be routed... to the front end of an amp? ...in the effects loop of an amp? ...used as a preamp and run out to a power amp?

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